THE FEMALE PHYSIQUE WEBZINE/GALLERY
Ms. Olympia: State of the Art
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> From: Larue Green <lgreen1@triad.rr.com>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:54:41 -0400
>
To: BILL DOBBINS <bill_dobbins@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Women's Bodybuilding
>
> I agree 100% that the powers that be are abandoning Women's bodybuilding.
>> Although I do not agree with steroid use in men's or women's competition,
> I
>> do feel that women should be able to take their bodies as far as they
>> naturally can if they choose to. I feel the same about the men. I do
> like
>>
to see the "ultra" and extreme physiques but not at the cost
of the
>> competitor's health and well-being.
>>
>> On another note, I do not like to see the bloated stomachs of either
male
> or
>> female. I do think that the men as well as women need to stop the drug
> use
>> because I am afraid for their health in the future. We as spectators
need
>> to respect and protect their health as well as our own. Our desire to
see
>> huge, massive muscles tend to be at the expense of those with the genetics
>> to produce them
>>
>> I love the beautiful female physique, with and without huge muscles.
I
>> actually prefer a well-muscled woman, i.e. Juliette Bergman, Lenda Murray,
>> Iris Kyle, Kim Chizevsky, and etc.
>>
>> I think women should have the opportunity to pursue a sport they love
for
>> the fans that love them. Ultimately, I think it is the narrow-minded
and
>> jealous males that are stifling women's competition because they can't
> deal
>>
with a "well-armed" woman.
>>
>> Thanks for the opportunity to provide feedback and I hope you appreciate
>> some of what I have said.
Dear Mr Dobbins, greetings from Australia.
Firstly, thank you for the opportunity to respond to this announcement,
and I humbly offer my opinion. Personally, I love the athletic female
form, whatever its manifestation, from muscular through fitness to figure,
each
has its own integrity.
It seems to me that a split between male and female bodybuilding
has always been inevitable, and it may be regarded as a mixed blessing.
Is it time
for the Ms Olympia to get status in its own right? It may benefit
women's
bodybuilding in the future to have its own venue and schedule? One
of the problems with all bodybuilding is that it has a marginalised
aesthetic
(even the male bodybuilding physique is not universally accepted
as "ideal";
we have perhaps ignored that in the latest developments in women's
bodybuilding). The general acceptance of the muscular aesthetic is
not really relevant
to its development. The question is, whether the support base for
women's bodybuilding is strong enough to make an independent event
successful.
Without an attempt at such a venture, no-one will ever know; however,
the European fitness and figure championships have huge support,
among other
independent ventures (it is not without precedent). Because of this,
I am surprised at the hesitancy to separate the Ms and Mr Olympia,
as female
and male events. Hopefully the Ms Olympia title will be usable in
this regard?
Of course, the nature of such an event is very important. Will it include
fitness and figure? I think fitness and figure should be included. It
seems to me that there is as much confusion within female physique ranks
generally
as there is between male and female development. Clearly, male bodybuilding
appears to reject extreme muscularity in women, and seems to be pushing
for the development of a unique female aesthetic. Whether this is because
there is some resentment at women stealing the spotlight to some extent,
or is a true disapproval is another matter. Certainly, a celebration
of the female athletic form could be sold to all the competitors, from
bodybuilding
to figure, and I am sure there would be no problem in marketing a very
glamourous concept to the public either. I personally feel that an independent
Ms Olympia will evolve its own standards for the female physique, and
that the basis for the event should be inclusive of all physiques.
The link between the two sports has often meant a similar emphasis for
both. Some media coverage, for example, has pretty much transferred the
male aesthetic directly over to the female form (extreme muscularity
and a pre-occupation with upper body as opposed to overall development).
Perhaps
women might welcome a review of their sport and the development of a
unique aesthetic, rather than having a male aesthetic forced on them?
Certainly
there is an established core of female bodybuilders who have a vested
interest in promoting extreme development, and I have great sympathy
with their
devotion; it is their whole life in many cases. Their commitment is the
main reason for establishing a separate event, which would focus attention
on them, rather than marginalise them. Also the separation of male and
female bodybuilding would allow them to have more say in the way the
sport is perceived, and in how it develops.
In a sense, a separation of men's and women's bodybuilding would be a
watershed, and allow women to proceed in a new direction, to develop
their own standards.
They have so much experience now that they can improve the sport dramatically.
One of the primary benefits could be a complete overhaul of judging:
personally I would like to see the expert judging system amended, to
allow peer judging
by competitors. The results of competitions are crucial to the progress
of many of these women, who seem to exist in a twilight semi-professional
world. Many have other careers, yet spend so much time on physique development,
it is almost like a second career! It must be heart-breaking going home
empty-handed when judging standards appear so whimsical. I can only assume
many are becoming disillusioned with the sport after such experiences.
The most important development would be to give women control of their
sport, rather than being dependent on the will of others.
Best regards,
Walrus,
Adelaide, South Australia.
Mr. Dobbins –
Thank you for writing such an accurate, well-reasoned and researched
piece on the woes facing female bodybuilders. For that matter,
this article can be applied to all of the women involved in the IFBB. When
I first heard of the 20% muscle reduction rule, I was floored. I
truly thought that I had misread an article written by Monica Bryant. The
ignorance of the IFBB can only lead to its own problems. If the
IFBB truly believes that it can grow the fan base for women’s bodybuilding,
fitness and figure by initiating some arbitrary rule like 20% muscle
reduction, then the IFBB is more naïve thenone would think possible. The
issue of increasing the audience for bodybuilding, whether male or female,
and for fitness and figure is not going to be resolved by implementing
some ridiculous rule regarding muscle mass for women. If the IFBB
truly wanted to change, and grow its audience, it would take a hard and
unyielding look at the real problems surrounding the industry. Problems
such as steroid use, the objectification of women in fitness and figure,
the typical “bodybuilders” image of being somehow freaky
and stupid, the control of the supplement industry, and other such issues
are the true culprits behind the lack of an audience for IFBB events.
Thank you again for writing an article that actually has merit, and may
at least cause a few people to stop and think about supporting an organization
that can be so blind.
Sincerely,
Audrey A. Pike
Associate General Counsel
Halifax Community Health System
To All Concerned,
It is unbelieveable to me that there is this controversy about womens
bodybuilding. There is no doubt that the womens psyiques of today are
too muscular for many people. However the name of the game is bodybuilding
(ie. taking the body to the farthest muscular extreme possible) Any thing
less that this, must be called something else. I have followed womens
bodybuilding for over 28 years. I have followed stars such as Pillow,
Clair Furr, Debbie McKnight, up through Annir Reviccio, Joanna Thomas
and Gina Davis, to only name a few. All of these women have been among
the most muscular of their time. I have gone to the Arnold Fitness Expo
for years now. There is no doubt the women bouybuilders and even the
women powerlifters get many times the response as the fitness, or figure
ladies. The proper solution is probably to have the different catagories
of muscular women for all tasts. I, and many people leave the stage area,
and go about the expo when the non-bobybuilder women come to the stage.
Most of these are too skinny, and should try out for playboy or modeling,
not bobybuilding. I hope to see womens bodybuilding continue and grow.
There are many other avenues for someone to compete in or watch women
dance and tumble around a stage. Let's leave bodybuilding to and for
bodybuilders.
Rick Hayes